After a short review of the RSA Security Conference, Rich, Mike, and Adrian debate the value of using labels like “Rugged DevOps” or “SecDevOps”. Rich sees them as different, Mike wonders if we really need them, and Adrian has been tracking their reception on the developer side of the house. Okay, it’s pathetic as smackdowns go, but you wouldn’t have read this far if we didn’t give it an interesting title.