This week, Martin and I are joined by Adam Shostack, bandleader of the Emergent Chaos Jazz Combo of the Blogosphere and co-author of The New School of Information Security. (And he sorta works for a big software company, but that’s not important right now).

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We spend a lot of time talking about statistics and the New School concepts. I’m a big fan of the book, and Adam and I share a lot of positions on where we are as an industry, and where we need to go.