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This is a non-security post... I did not get a lot of work done Thursday afternoon. I was shopping. Specifically, I am shopping for a new laptop. I have a four year old Fujitsu running XP. The MTBF on this machine is about 20 months, so I am a little beyond laptop shelf life. A friend lent me a nice laptop with Vista for a week, and I must say, I really do not like it. Don't like the performance. Don't like the DRM. Don't like the new arrangement of the UI. Don't like the lowest-common-denominator approach to design. Don't like an OS that thinks it knows what I want and shoves the wrong things at me. The entire direction it's heading seems to be the antithesis of fast, efficient, & friendly. So what to buy? If you do not choose Windows, there really are not a lot of options for business laptops. Do you really have a choice?

I was reading this story that said Intel had no plans to adopt Windows Vista for their employees. Interesting that this comes out now. Technically speaking, the Microsoft "End of Life" date for Windows XP was June 30th. I sympathize with IT departments, as this makes things difficult for them. I am just curious what departments such as Intel's will be buying employees as their laptops croak? With some 80,000 employees, I am assuming this is a daily occurrence, so I wonder how closely their decision-making process resembles mine. I wonder what they are going to do. Reuse XP keys?

I have used, and continue to use, a lot of OSes. I started my career with CTOS, and I worked on and with UNIX for more than a decade. I have used various flavors of Linux & BSD since 1995. I have had Microsoft's OSes and Linux dual booting on my home machines for the last decade. I am really not an OS bigot, as there are things about each that I like. For example, I like Ubuntu and the context cube desktop interface, but I am not sure I want that for my primary operating system. I could buy a basic box and install XP with an older key, but worry I might have trouble finding XP drivers and updates.

Being an engineer, I figured I would approach this logically. I sat down and wrote down all the applications, features, and services I use on a weekly basis and mapped out what I needed. Several Linux variants would work, and I could put XP in a virtual partition to catch anything that was not available, but the more I look, the more I like the MacBook. While I have never owned a Mac, I am beginning to think it is time to buy one. And really, the engineer in me got thrown under the bus when I visited the Mac store http://store.apple.com/. %!&$! logic, now I just kind of want one.

If I am going through this thought process, I just wonder how many companies are as well. MS has a serious problem.

—Adrian Lane

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By FJ  on  07/06  at  01:59 AM

A MacBook would allow you to install Mac OS X, Windows and Linux, whether as full blown bootable operating systems or virtual machines (except, of course, for virtualized Mac OS X).

In that light, it seems to be the best way to solve the conundrum you describe. Non-Apple hardware would remove the Mac OS X option — and some have said Apple makes the fastest machines onto which one can install Windows at the moment.

By tim  on  07/06  at  02:59 AM

Windows XP is no longer being sold to the consumer.  IT departments can still buy licenses.  I am perplexed by the "Reuse XP keys" comment.  When an OS image is built - its using a single key assigned to the enterprise.  So - yea - reusing the same "key" is what’s always been done.  The key won’‘t expire. 

Intel’s position is a prudent one.  Moving to a new OS is a large endeavor.  Its not something done in a month (or 6).  None of my clients have Vista on their roadmaps in the next one to two years.  Heck - many of them just got to XP from 2000 so there is little appetite for moving to Vista.

As for a new laptop - like many others I went for a MacBook Pro.  I have OS X and Vista installed natively while using using VMWare for XP, various Linux’‘s, etc…

By Gary  on  07/06  at  03:50 AM

Not sure whether you follow his security blog (which is an entertaining read), by the ‘‘Chief’’ gives his reasons for using a Mac ehre:
http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/securitymonkey/why-security-pros-use-macs-16168

By Ben  on  07/06  at  04:59 AM

I bought my first Mac about 2 years ago (or is it 3? time goes so quickly!)... all I bought was a Mac Mini, because it was going to be my test and tinker project… well, I loved it… since then, I’‘ve successfully declared my home Windows free, replacing the last two boxes with another Mac Mini (Intel chipset) and a MacBook Pro for the wife. It’s all lovely. I still have a PC on the shelf for that day when I get around to building the Linux server I always mean to have on hand. For now, as an end-user, the Mac is great.

The only other non-XP OS I would seriously consider today would be Ubuntu Linux. It’s Debian-based, so an uphill challenge for my more RH-centric background, but from what I’‘ve seen of it (installed and tinkered a couple different times), it’s really quite decent. The first time I installed it because it was the only Linux variant that detected my add-on wireless card out of the box. Sold in an instant with that! :)

My only sad realization in dumping Windows is that I now can’‘t play (natively) all the old PC games I used to love, such as Diablo, Diablo II, Warcraft, etc. :) Yes, oldies but goodies! If I get desperate enough, I guess I can always install Mac Wine or Parallels with XP (funny, I bought I license for Parallels a year ago and never got around to installing it… guess I just don’‘t need that other OS!). :)

By Adrian Lane  on  07/06  at  07:01 AM

@tim … sorry, the comment is out of context and would not apply to company like Intel.  I was thinking about smaller firms like my last employer.  We just went down to Fry’s and bought a dozen laptops every time we hired people and ended up having to manage the OS licenses. 

@Gary …  thanks for the link.  No, I do not follow this blog, but this is a good post and I will add this one to my list.  Besides, anyone who calls themselves ‘Security Monkey’ is OK with me. 
@Ben … now that you mention, video games was something on my mind as well.  This (http://www.tomsgames.com/us/fringedrinking/2008/04/star_wars_the_force_unleashed.html) was getting good initial reviews.

By James Turnbull  on  07/06  at  07:55 AM

I moved to a Mac about 4-5 years ago - starting with a Powerbook and now having a MBP.  I link having a Unix-like command line, native support for a lot of the Unix-esque applications I use, an excellent interface AND the ability to virtualise when needed.

I boot into Ubuntu/Fedora for some things - being a bit of a FOSS boffin too - and into Windows for some corporate applications (SAP, etc).  But generally I can do 95% of what I want in OS X.  Never going to buy another Windows-based laptop as far as I can concerned.

By Jason  on  07/06  at  08:38 AM

Macbook and a Lenovo X61 here.  For me its perfect.  For work I need Linux and XP, so thats the Lenovo.  But for browsing the web, instant messaging and the other lazy stuff that Mac is so much better.  Both work computers.. If I had to choose one for personal computing, probably the Macbook would win.  Would love it if the Macbook Pro had a 13" size, 15" is just a tad too big for me.

And XP and various Linux distros do run in great on the Mac in Parallels or VMware - VirtualBox just doesn’‘t seem up to the task yet.

By caleb  on  07/06  at  08:46 AM

When I use Microsoft operating systems on my desktop or laptop I always opt for the server versions. During the XP days I used 2003, and now I’‘m using 2008 server instead of Vista. One thing I’‘ve enjoyed about 2008 server is playing around with Hyper-V, and the fact that it feels much less bloated than Vista. Also on the plus side, any drivers for Vista seem to work fine in 2008 server. Of course if you aren’‘t a student or a tech-net subscriber it might not be a cheap option.

By Dan Guido  on  07/06  at  10:08 AM

Go on ebay and get an IBM T42, the last model IBM made before Lenovo took over.

If you really must have a new one, then Lenovo still makes decent laptops and I really like my MacBook. I have unkind words to say for everything else out there.

By Jason  on  07/06  at  10:22 AM

I should give a shut out for the Dell D630 with a dock.  Its a pretty slim 14" with a build quality every bit as good as a Lenovo T61.  Plus with the dock it can drive a 24" AND a 20" external monitor for desktop like dual displays.  People at work really like them - all use with Ubuntu.

By Christian  on  07/06  at  12:58 PM

Hey Rich,

Next personal laptop that I buy (over $500AU) will definitely be an Apple. Last one was my Eee, which I love for it’s mobility and price tag, and even got the default Xandros dist to do most of the things I want it to do. But a Macbook/Macbook Pro would be nice.

By Jeremiah Watson  on  07/06  at  01:21 PM

Well, all things considered, a Mac is the only laptop that can effectively run all three major operating systems (OS X, Windows and Linux) natively. While there are great hacks to get OS X onto regular PC’‘s, it’s never the same. Since the shift to Intel, the Mac has become a very interesting prospect… the hardware is innovative (light sensors, magnetic power cord, multi touch trackpad), the build quality is superb and no matter which os one evangelizes, one must admit that having a full blown certified UNIX level 3 BSD core under a user interface that is lauded for its productivity and attention to detail is very attractive.

Plus, there’s a lot of interesting security stuff happening for OS X as marketshare builds. It looks like a pretty forward looking decision. In the worst case scenario, Apple laptops have a significantly higher resale value than your average Dell.

There are lots of security folk moving to the platform, I believe Matasano is a mac shop through and through.

By Mark  on  07/07  at  07:21 AM

I decided a long time ago to stick with Windows because at the time (when I was still able to call myself a programmer/engineer without having to explain a marketing title) for the same reason you don’‘t like Vista…Macs back then seemed to think they were smarter than you. 

But I actually liked OS/2 better than Windows, it was just that only my co-workers at IBM had ever heard of it.

However, all that aside…I’‘ve worked with a few Macs and have some friends and colleagues that are using them.  I think that Mac today makes a far better laptop with a better interface…you will also pay more for it.  Regardless, my $0.02 would be to get a MacBook and only look back in a few years when you’‘re ready for your next one.

By chad  on  07/08  at  03:35 PM

Look for some security-related Mac apps here:

http://osx.hyperjeff.net/Apps/apps?f=security

By LonerVamp  on  07/11  at  02:32 AM

How would you rate the ability to manage a Mac system in an enterprise of say, 5,000 people?

Maybe this number has become higher these days, but until such time as a Mac is as easy to control and police as Windows boxes, it is not really good form to compare personal computing decisions to IT decisions. If this number is increasing, it just takes time and more people who knowledge to push/pull enterprise users.

By James Turnbull  on  07/11  at  05:42 AM

@LonerVamp I would rate it as quite feasible.  A number of organisations manage Macs in those sorts of volumes or larger - Goggle is an example.  It’s easy to do with the right tools and the right approach.

By gerro  on  07/12  at  12:10 AM

@LonerVamp:

See:

Enterprise Desktop Alliance
http://www.enterprisedesktopalliance.com

Using SAP with Mac OS X
http://macenterprise.org/content/view/316/42/

By rbp  on  08/01  at  11:32 PM

Rich convinced me to try a Mac, so I bought a refurb macbook, figuring that it would be a fine second computer if I didn’‘t like it as my primary machine.

Well, I love it. OS X "just works" and I have XP running under VMWare fusion for any Microsoft tasks that need doing.

One day I’‘ll upgrade to a Macbook Pro, but for the last 18 months my Macbook has been great!

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